Comments on: Advice Is Circumstantial

By: Lisa

Lisa — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:53:00 +0000

Animal Activist, thank you for your kind words. I’m glad you like my blog. My blogs will never be sterile of personality. At least I hope not. I like telling stories as much as possible. I do agree I beat some things to death at times though. It’s usually on the blogs where I have a message I want to convey, but I’m distracted with other things and trying to get it finished so I can put it out. I meant it when I said Animal is good at trimming fat off of things. His feedback gives me something to chew on. I am happy to know you were okay with the way it was originally written.

By: Animal Activist

Animal Activist — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:53:08 +0000

Animal, I’m just curious as to why your comments were so long since you appear to be so critical of conciseness and brevity? Afterall couldn’t the blog simply have been written, “To find a job, do what works best for you. The end.”
There, that about sums up everything also, does it not? In fact, why should Lisa write any more blogs when we have the all-encompasing “secret”!?
This isn’t English comp 101, you’re not the teacher and if you don’t like the blogs why not take your intelligent self elsewhere? Your criticism is rude and adds no value. Every reader could paraphrase Lisa’s blog into their own style, so what?
It is Lisa’s unique writing style that touches and attracts the readers of her blog. I found your “improvements” to Lisa’s blog to lack warmth and personality. That kind of fodder that is commonly found.
Lisa, please do not change your style of writing as I find your blogs unique, thought-provoking and entertaining. For you to say that Animal’s feedback is great makes me wonder what weight of merit you find in his words.(Hopefully nil).
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By: Lisa

Lisa — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:33:37 +0000

Thanks, Animal. Your feedback is great. I don’t mind it at all and I like reading the feedback you give others at well. You’re a natural at cutting through the fat and pointing out cliches. I’m not going to delete it because I think many of us struggle with overpopulating messages. Glad you got the commenting function to work.

By: Recruiting Animal

Recruiting Animal — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:27:56 +0000

Find the general idea behind specific advice, then figure out a way to apply it that suits you.

That’s the message isn’t it? But I found the presentation too wordy.

For instance:

“Being able to rub elbows with decision makers without having swarms of job seekers around allows you to stand out” — that wd have been enough – instead you added – “and reduces the competition for that person’s connections and opportunities”.

Again:

“The other day I was listening to a program on networking strategies for job seekers. Some things were mentioned that gave me the squirms. Not because I disagreed with the message those giving the advice were attempting to convey, but because I’m well aware” <– unnecessary. this background info isn't relevant or interesting.

Alt ver:

"Many people take advice at face value. Then they reject it because it doesn't suit them or they accept it — even when it doesn't suit them.

In fact, there's a secret to taking advice. First, figure out the general idea behind any specific recommendation. Then find a way to apply it that suits you.

Then: Examples.

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By: admin

admin — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:58:24 +0000

100% agree with everything you wrote. That is indeed what the process can be like when people lose sight of the goal. With awareness and a concerted effort, purposeful networking with other job seekers as ‘part’ of a job search strategy could offer a safer place to practice selling oneself, build intelligence about opportunities in the area and learn what other job seekers are actually doing that works. There is no doubt those who use their time with other unemployed individuals primarily to swap stories of hardship and to hide from decision makers will fall short. It may serve a purpose, but the purpose is not job lead generation.

It comes down to balance and constantly taking stock of what is gained from a process. I’ve met those who have networked exclusively with decision makers and struggled because they were out of the loop on new methods job seekers were using to promote themselves and find leads. I’ve met those who have networked exclusively with fellow job seekers in environments that were more about providing support than exchanging leads.

I’m biased on the networking with job seekers bit because I run several networking groups for the unemployed. We exchange a ton of leads. We’ve seen several of our members move into jobs as a result. It wasn’t by accident though. And it didn’t happen because we got together for coffee and swapped excuses. Group members have their eye on the prize constantly. Time is used wisely and there is a clear push to build confidence and get members out in front of decision makers. It’s worked very well for us.

By: Cindy Kraft

Cindy Kraft — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:04:50 +0000

Most assuredly, Lisa, there are few absolutes (or even rules) managing one’s career. Different strategies work for some, not for others. Those at the senior level conduct a job search campaign that may look very different from that of, say, an administrative assistant.

What I find is that it is easier for job seekers to commiserate, I mean network, with other job seekers. It’s more comfortable, it’s easier on the ego, you can solicit lots of sympathy or empathy, and then leave feeling better about your situation. It is much more challenging to force yourself to network with decision makers. First of all, unemployed job seekers don’t have a job title so they flounder with the inevitable “what do you do” question. One punch to the gut, and networking only with other unemployed job seekers becomes a refuge. It’s the “only” that gets them in trouble.